The decode-serving section characterized the high-N gap as "BW-floored, vLLM pays equally / 56-68%". A clean uncontended graph-node-traced profile (dgx ~/highN_prof2 + ~/highN_vllm, 2026-06-30) shows that was a profiling artifact: decode runs as a replayed CUDA graph, and nsys without --cuda-graph-trace=node collapses each replay into one opaque launch, so every prior decode decomposition (159 us/tok, "host-bound", "5.4x more efficient") was wrong. Corrected via --cuda-graph-trace=node + the ntg=64-minus-ntg=16 difference method. Real picture (paged npl=256): 99% GPU-busy (idle 1.4%), NOT host-bound. GDN recurrent scan 553 us/tok (51%, linear in batch, dominant), NVFP4 expert GEMM 254 (23%), bf16 proj 73 (7%), elementwise 57, SSM conv 31. Gap reconciled: vLLM-server 1177 -> vLLM true GPU-steady 1078 (chunked-prefill overlap inflates its window ~8pt) -> llama GPU-steady 924 (= 86% of 1078) -> llama-server 718 (61%, the ~17pt S3-recoverable serving graph-reuse overhead). So vs vLLM's true GPU-steady decode we are ~86%, not 56%. GDN is a shared BW floor where paged leads (83% vs 79% of 273 GB/s peak; both 1.17-1.18x for 2x batch). The residual ~14pt is vLLM's mature fused kernels (Marlin MoE +11ms, Triton elementwise +10ms); both ggml fusions rejected: act-quant-into-MMQ -79.4% (ggml MMQ re-quantizes y per row-tile x stream-k split, no single-pass tiling), norm+quant+silu infeasible via ggml_cuda_can_fuse. Added rejected levers: Q8_0/FP8 projection (regime error, closes <=6%; vLLM FP8-proj confirmed from hf_quant_config.json MIXED_PRECISION), the two decode fusions; refined BV-block GDN occupancy to -1.04% (wave-hidden). Revised verdict: PREFILL genuinely capped (36-43%, not graph-replayed so real); DECODE-SERVING near-parity ~86% of vLLM true GPU-steady (headline 56% was a measurement/operating-point artifact). GB10-vs-datacenter framing kept. Assisted-by: Claude:opus-4.8 [Claude Code] Signed-off-by: Ettore Di Giacinto <mudler@localai.io>
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vLLM Parity - Final State (Qwen3.6 NVFP4 on GB10)
Status: CLOSED. This is the standing record of the exhaustive GB10 (DGX Spark, sm_121) parity investigation for
llama-cpp-localai-pagedagainst vLLM on the Qwen3.6 hybrid gated-DeltaNet NVFP4 models. It exists so the investigation is never re-litigated: every lever attempted, its verdict, its key number, and the structural floors that bound the result are recorded below with the artifact each number came from. The one-line conclusion: prefill is genuinely capped at 36-43% of vLLM (FP4-MMQ optimality + GDN O(C^2) intra-chunk complexity; prefill is not CUDA-graph-replayed, so these are real floors, not profiling artifacts); decode-serving is near-parity at ~86% of vLLM's true GPU-steady decode (the long-standing ~56% headline was a measurement / operating-point artifact, corrected below), with the residual ~14% being vLLM's mature fused-Marlin + Triton-elementwise kernels that are not cheaply replicable on GB10.
Companion docs (design/rationale, not re-summarized here): the patch-series
README.md (section 5 dev-notes), VLLM_PARITY_LEVER_MAP.md,
PREFILL_GEMM_SCOPE.md, PREFILL_GEMM_RESULTS.md, DECODE_SERVING_SCOPE.md,
TENSORCORE_GDN_SCOPE.md, TENSORCORE_GDN_BUILD_PLAN.md, PAGED_BITEXACT_NOTE.md.
Source key (every number below cites one of these):
- CDEF = the definitive same-session both-engine run
dgx:~/bench/COMBINED_DEFINITIVE.txt(2026-06-29, GIT_HEADa7d439e, h2h_cli3 OpenAI/v1/completions, fresh-nonce prompts, ignore_eos, ptok128 gen128; pagedLLAMA_KV_PAGED=1 LLAMA_MOE_FORCE_GRAPHS=1, GDN M5 on, S1 on, S3 off; vLLM 0.23.0 gpu-util 0.85 max-model-len 4096 max-num-seqs 256 tp1). - README = the static
llama-batched-benchtable inREADME.mdsection 4 (npp128/ntg128; patched vs stock-9d5d882dvs vLLM-prior). - PGR =
PREFILL_GEMM_RESULTS.md. LMAP =VLLM_PARITY_LEVER_MAP.md(profile-validated section). DSS =DECODE_SERVING_SCOPE.md. MG =dgx:~/bench/marlin_gate/. GDNAB =dgx:~/bench/gdn_p1_ab/. 0034/0035 = patch headers inpatches/paged/. - HNP = the clean, uncontended, graph-node-traced both-engine high-N decode profile (2026-06-30):
dgx:~/highN_prof2/*.nsys-rep(paged, npl=256) +dgx:~/highN_vllm/*.nsys-rep(vLLM), captured withnsys --cuda-graph-trace=nodeand decomposed by the difference method (per-token cost = ntg=64 profile minus ntg=16 profile). This supersedes every earlier decode decomposition (LMAP included): those were taken without--cuda-graph-trace=node, which collapses each graph replay into one opaque launch and made the per-kernel decode attribution an artifact (see 2c). - "estimated" marks any figure not pinned to one of the above.
1. The benchmark (paged vs vLLM vs stock)
Two models: the MoE Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-NVFP4 (decision model, 256 experts top-8,
30 GDN + 10 full-attn layers + a dense shared expert per layer) and the dense
Qwen3.6-27B-NVFP4 (48 GDN + 16 full-attn). All numbers GB10 / CUDA 13 /
sm_121, backend pin 9d5d882d.
1a. Prefill (S_PP, prefill tokens/s)
Paged = static llama-batched-bench PP block; vLLM = server prefill-phase rate
at the same prompt length. Source: CDEF.
| Model | shape | paged S_PP | vLLM S_PP | paged % of vLLM |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| MoE 35B-A3B | PP=512, B=32 | 2309.6 | 6418.9 | 36.0% |
| MoE 35B-A3B | PP=2048, B=32 | 2401.9 | 6748.5 | 35.6% |
| Dense 27B | PP=512, B=32 | 960.3 | 2277.3 | 42.2% |
| Dense 27B | PP=2048, B=32 | 1010.2 | 2360.1 | 42.8% |
Prefill is the largest absolute gap. The profile-validated decomposition (LMAP, nsys both-engine, MoE decision model) attributes it as: paged 395.9 us/tok vs vLLM 197.0 us/tok (total gap ~198.9 us/tok), split GDN +59.2 (~30%), MoE-GEMM +56.5 (~28%), ew/layout/glue +21.4 (~11%), act-quant +15.2 (~8%), bf16-proj +13.7 (~7%), gate +12.4 (~6%), norms +11.1 (~6%), dispatch +5.9 (~3%).
1b. Decode / serving (per-seq + aggregate decode t/s), staggered serving
Source: CDEF NPL runs (continuous serving via h2h_cli3). decode_agg =
aggregate decode t/s; perseq = decode tok/s/seq; PEAK_GB = peak process VRAM.
MoE Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-NVFP4:
| N | paged decode_agg | vLLM decode_agg | paged perseq | vLLM perseq | perseq % of vLLM | paged TTFT_mean ms | vLLM TTFT_mean ms | paged PEAK_GB | vLLM PEAK_GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 8 | 208.1 | 297.1 | 25.68 | 36.68 | 70.0% | 747.9 | 204.2 | 50.03 | 112.42 |
| 32 | 379.1 | 575.7 | 11.40 | 17.49 | 65.2% | 2377.9 | 640.8 | 52.13 | 112.20 |
| 128 | 611.9 | 958.2 | 4.14 | 6.97 | 59.4% | 7058.3 | 1965.4 | 60.57 | 112.51 |
| 256 | 717.8 | 1177.4 | 2.29 | 4.12 | 55.6% | 13533.6 | 3937.3 | 70.18 | 112.55 |
Dense Qwen3.6-27B-NVFP4:
| N | paged decode_agg | vLLM decode_agg | paged perseq | vLLM perseq | perseq % of vLLM | paged TTFT_mean ms | vLLM TTFT_mean ms | paged PEAK_GB | vLLM PEAK_GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 8 | 84.0 | 72.1 | 10.42 | 8.93 | 116.7% | 1914.7 | 493.1 | 77.97 | 109.63 |
| 32 | 196.5 | 214.7 | 5.83 | 6.56 | 88.9% | 7023.3 | 1735.4 | 83.04 | 109.65 |
| 128 | 343.8 | 431.8 | 2.18 | 3.10 | 70.3% | 19468.9 | 5455.0 | 101.93 | 109.67 |
| 256 | 380.3 | 532.5 | 1.13 | 1.82 | 62.1% | 36306.8 | 10824.1 | 114.63 | 109.67 |
End-to-end aggregate agg_tps (incl. prefill contention), CDEF: MoE paged
179.7/301.4/425.6/459.9 vs vLLM 278.5/515.6/798.3/915.4 at N=8/32/128/256; dense
paged 72.6/141.4/205.8/213.3 vs vLLM 69.4/193.3/346.6/394.7.
Reading the table. Dense decode is ahead of vLLM at low concurrency (116.7% at N=8). The high-N percentages here (perseq ~56%, decode_agg ~61% at N=256) are server-window numbers and understate true engine parity: they divide the paged serving rate by vLLM's prefill-overlap-inflated server rate. The corrected, graph-node-traced decomposition (section 2c, HNP) shows paged decode at ~86% of vLLM's true GPU-steady decode, with the remaining server-window gap being an S3-recoverable serving graph-reuse overhead (2d). The earlier "this is just the bandwidth floor / vLLM pays equally" reading was a profiling artifact and is corrected in 2c.
PEAK_GB is the structural memory advantage. vLLM's PEAK_GB is a fixed
~109-112.5 GB reservation (the --gpu-memory-utilization 0.85 block-manager
pre-allocation of the ~128 GB unified LPDDR5x) and does not vary with N. The
paged backend allocates KV on demand, so its peak grows with load but stays
far below vLLM at low/mid concurrency: MoE N=8 uses 50.0 vs 112.4 GB (~2.2x
less), and even at N=256 MoE is 70.2 vs 112.6 GB. This is the headline of
section 5 (memory advantage / higher max concurrency per GPU) and is real,
bit-exact, and not an operating-point trick.
1c. Patched vs true-stock (static batched-bench, the patch-series multiplier)
Stock 9d5d882d was not in the same-session CDEF run; the patched-vs-stock
multiplier is the static llama-batched-bench table (README, npp128/ntg128,
decode t/s):
| N=8 | N=32 | N=64 | N=128 | max x over stock | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dense patched / stock | 85.3 / 68.3 | 211.9 / 119.9 | 305.2 / 142.8 | 382.1 / 155.1 | 2.46x |
| MoE patched / stock | 230.3 / 186.7 | 466.4 / 267.4 | 622.4 / 320.5 | 784.3 / 347.2 | 2.26x |
In that static regime the patched decode kernel is at vLLM parity (dense 121/100/99/91% of vLLM-prior across widths; MoE 90/93/91/89%). The serving table in 1b is the harder continuous regime; the gap between the two regimes is the subject of section 2 (serving) and was fully closed on the host side.
2. Complete lever map (every attempt, verdict, key number)
Bit-exactness convention (per PAGED_BITEXACT_NOTE.md): the gate is per-path.
Dense greedy md5 5951a5b4; paged-MoE greedy md5 8cb0ce23 (a benign
FP-accumulation-order reorder vs non-paged 07db32c2, KL-validated). "BE" = greedy
md5 byte-identical; "KL-benign" = new FP path, gated by KL-divergence within band.
2a. PREFILL - weight GEMM track (verdict: FP4-MMQ is optimal on GB10)
Four kernels were built or ported to beat MMQ at large-M MoE prefill. All rejected; FP4-MMQ stays the shipped path. The decisive surprise (LMAP, both-engine nsys): on sm_121 vLLM itself does not run native FP4 - it runs Marlin W4A16 (FP4 dequant to bf16 in-register + bf16 GEMM) for experts and FP8 projections, capped at bf16-tensor-core peak (~half FP4 peak). So MMQ's native FP4 path is already structurally competitive on this exact silicon.
| Lever | What | Verdict | Key number | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0033 dequant -> bf16 cuBLAS | route large-M NVFP4 dense GEMM off MMQ to dequant->bf16 nvjet/cuBLAS | REJECTED (regression) | dense S_PP -49% / -42% / -29% at M=512/1024/2048; bit-exact md5 identical, KL-better | PGR |
| dense-cuBLAS reroute (full sweep) | the same reroute across the dense + MoE prefill sweep | REJECTED | -31% to -62% band (estimated; the artifact-pinned dense subset is -29% to -49%, PGR) | LMAP / recorded verdict |
| 0034 native FP4-MMA W4A4 | Blackwell mxf4nvf4 OMMA large-M kernel, PoC verbatim |
REJECTED in-backend | PoC ~103 TFLOP/s (57.7% of FP4 peak, beats cuBLAS-bf16, NMSE=0), but the standalone PoC win did not hold in-backend |
0034 header / LMAP |
| 0035 W4A16-Marlin grouped MoE | FP4->bf16 in-register dequant + bf16 mma.sync, zero act-quant tax (vLLM's exact sm_121 shape) |
REJECTED (perf regression) | correct + bit-exact-gated: test-backend-ops MUL_MAT_ID 81/81; KL benign and better (marlin KLD 0.131 < MMQ 0.137, same-top-p 84.6% vs 84.3%); md5 short identical, long one benign flip - but -39% S_PP vs MMQ (estimated/recorded; MG holds only the correctness+KL gate) |
0035 header, MG |
| offline-repack Marlin / vLLM-verbatim Marlin | repack weights offline to Marlin layout; port vLLM's Marlin kernel verbatim | REJECTED | verbatim-Marlin: correct but -39%; offline-repack: workflow built (shared the GPU lock, combined_definitive.sh:29), same bf16-peak ceiling, no win |
recorded verdict / combined_definitive.sh |
Why the whole track loses (the structural reason): bf16 tensor-core peak on GB10 is ~half FP4 peak (PGR s3), so any dequant->bf16 kernel caps at ~half the throughput the native FP4-MMQ read reaches; and the dequant write is an un-amortized weight-sized memory pass (~8x the FP4-read byte traffic, PGR). The W4A16 angle was the most promising because it also erases the ~8% act-quant tax vLLM never pays - but the bf16-peak ceiling still made it a net regression. MMQ is optimal; the GEMM bucket is not winnable on GB10 with the available kernels.
2b. PREFILL - GDN chunked-scan track (verdict: M5 tf32 C=16 is the shipped winner)
The gated-DeltaNet chunked scan is the #1 single prefill-gap contributor
(+59.2 us/tok, ~30% of the gap; LMAP). vLLM's FLA chunk_gated_delta_rule runs the
same math at 36.5 us/tok vs paged 95.7 = 2.62x (LMAP), pushing intra-chunk Gram
products through tensor cores. The series chased that headroom.
| Lever | What | Verdict | Key number | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0031 scalar-serial chunked scan | FLA-style chunk gated-delta-rule, scalar/serial form (GDN_TC=0) |
superseded | math-correct (test-backend-ops 91/91, <=1e-7 NMSE) but ~761 vs ~971 t/s = ~22% slower at the GB10-forced C=16 |
README s5 |
| 0047 / M5 tf32 tensor-core scan | full form-T solve + state-update on tf32 m16n8k8 mma, f32-only re-port |
SHIPPED (default-on under paged) | MoE prefill S_PP +3.5% @npp512 (3x A/B), +17.7% @npp2048; decode unchanged; bit-exact-benign (GATED_DELTA_NET 46-94/94, md5 == canonical) |
README s3/s5 |
| bf16 CONFIG-C (M8) | bf16 Kc/Qc + 2 C*C scratch, C->64 + 2 blk/SM |
REJECTED (not in f32-only series) | the run that confirmed the geometry (CDEF GIT_HEAD), then dropped | CDEF / README s5 |
| bf16-C16 | bf16 Gram at C=16 | rejected | no win over tf32-M5; bf16 mantissa unsafe on the state-coupled products | GDN build-plan s4 |
| BV block-occupancy A/B (tf32) | raise blocks/SM to test if occupancy is the bound | REJECTED (occupancy is NOT the bound; latency is wave-hidden) | two arms statistically equal: 1844 vs 1814 S_PP (-1.04%, within noise) | GDNAB armA/armB |
| bf16-C64 | bf16 Gram at the larger C=64 chunk | REJECTED | -18.75% - the O(C^2) intra-chunk triangular-solve + serial recurrence dominates, so growing C hurts | recorded verdict / GDN build-plan |
Why the bottleneck is not occupancy/dtype: the cost is the O(C^2) intra-chunk triangular solve + the serial inter-chunk recurrence dependency, not grid occupancy (BV: -1.04%, latency is wave-hidden) and not Gram dtype (bf16-C64: -18.75%). GB10's 99 KB dynamic-smem cap forces C=16 (the 128x128 f32 state alone is 64 KB of the all-shared layout), and at this head dim the only win is tensor cores on the intra-chunk products, not chunking or wider chunks. M5 tf32 at C=16 is exactly that and is the shipped winner; it does not fully close the 2.62x because vLLM's mature FLA blocked-solve is a more complete tensor-core implementation.
2c. DECODE / serving (verdict: near-parity at ~86% of vLLM's true GPU-steady decode; the earlier "BW-floored / vLLM pays equally" was a profiling artifact)
Methodology correction - why every earlier decode decomposition was wrong.
Decode runs as a replayed CUDA graph. nsys without --cuda-graph-trace=node
collapses each graph replay into a single opaque launch, so the per-kernel
attribution in every prior decode profile (the "paged 159 us/tok, GPU ~16% busy,
host-bound, 5.4x more GPU-efficient per token" picture, and the conclusion that the
high-N gap was a pure bandwidth floor vLLM pays equally) was an artifact of graph
collapse, not real per-token cost. The correct method, used for the numbers below
(HNP, clean uncontended node, 2026-06-30), is nsys --cuda-graph-trace=node
plus the difference method: per-token cost = the ntg=64 profile minus the
ntg=16 profile, isolating per-token-linear work from fixed per-step overhead. Under
this method paged decode at npl=256 is 99% GPU-busy (GPU-idle only 1.4%), NOT
host-bound - the opposite of the collapsed-graph reading. This supersedes the
LMAP decode decomposition.
The real per-token decomposition (paged, npl=256, HNP) - GPU-steady ~1082 us/tok (924 t/s):
| Bucket | us/tok | % of decode | Note |
|---|---|---|---|
| GDN recurrent scan | 553 | 51% | LINEAR in batch - the dominant cost; shared BW floor (below) |
| NVFP4 expert GEMM | 254 | 23% | amortizes with batch |
| bf16 projections | 73 | 7% | |
| elementwise | 57 | 5% | |
| SSM conv | 31 | 3% | |
| rest | small | - | |
| GPU-idle | - | 1.4% | not host-bound |
The gap reconciled (the numbers must sum). The headline N=256 figures (perseq ~56%, decode_agg ~61%, section 1b) were paged-server 718 over vLLM-server 1177. But the vLLM server number is inflated ~8 pts: vLLM's true GPU-steady decode is 1078 t/s, and its chunked-prefill overlap inflates the server-measured decode window. The reconciled chain:
| Measurement | t/s | % of vLLM-server (1177) |
|---|---|---|
| vLLM server (CDEF) | 1177 | 100% |
| vLLM true GPU-steady decode | 1078 | 92% |
| llama GPU-steady decode | 924 | 78.5% (= 86% of vLLM's true 1078) |
| llama server (CDEF) | 718 | ~60.7% (61%) |
So vs vLLM's true GPU-steady decode, paged is ~86%, not ~56%. The ~56% headline conflated two distinct things: vLLM's prefill-overlap-inflated server window, and the paged serving graph-reuse overhead. The ~17 pt drop from llama GPU-steady (78.5%) to llama server (60.7%) is exactly that serving graph-reuse overhead, which is S3-recoverable (2d).
GDN is a shared BW floor where paged is ahead. The GDN recurrent scan moves ~32 GB/step of f32 recurrent-state traffic; paged runs it at 83% of the 273 GB/s LPDDR5x peak vs vLLM's 79%. Both engines' high-N sublinearity (only 1.17-1.18x throughput for a 2x batch) comes from this shared floor - it is not a paged-specific loss, and paged is the faster of the two on it.
The residual ~14 pt GPU-steady gap is real but not cheaply closable. vLLM's GPU-steady 1078 vs paged 924 decomposes into two buckets: the MoE expert path (~+11 ms) - vLLM's fused Marlin persistent-tiling vs ggml's separate act-quant + MMQ - and elementwise (~+10 ms) - vLLM fuses it into one Triton kernel. Both fusions were attempted and rejected (table below). Closing the residual needs vLLM's mature Marlin tiling (our own ggml Marlin port already lost -19.6%) plus multi-stream overlap (hard inside a single-stream CUDA graph): low-EV, multi-week, GB10-uncertain.
Decode / fusion levers (verdicts).
| Lever | What | Verdict | Key number | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| act-quant folded into ggml MMQ | erase the act-quant pass by quantizing the y-operand inside the MoE expert MMQ kernel (vLLM's fused-Marlin single-pass shape) | REJECTED (regression) | -79.4%: ggml MMQ re-quantizes the y-operand once per weight-row-tile x stream-k split, with no tensor cores for the inline quant - structural, ggml MMQ lacks vLLM's persistent single-pass tiling | HNP / recorded verdict |
| norm + quant + silu fusion | fold the elementwise path into one launch (vLLM's Triton kernel) | REJECTED (architecturally infeasible) | ggml_cuda_can_fuse cannot express it: FP4 quant is a mul_mat-internal prologue, not a cgraph node; the norm is already fused (0042/0044); silu is separated from the norm by 2 GEMMs + the router |
recorded verdict |
| Q8_0 / FP8 projection | quantize the bf16 GDN/attn projections (premise: vLLM uses FP8 here) | REJECTED (regime error, not premise error) | vLLM does use FP8 projections (confirmed from hf_quant_config.json MIXED_PRECISION), but at N=128/256 projections are only ~12% of the decode stream, so this closes <=6%, not the gap |
HNP / hf_quant_config.json |
| NVFP4 the bf16 GDN/attn projections | drop projections to NVFP4 (more aggressive than FP8) | REJECTED | KL-fail, ~+6% PPL; vLLM keeps the SAME bf16/FP8 projections, never NVFP4 | LMAP |
| W4A16-Marlin MoE decode | Marlin grouped expert GEMM on the decode path | REJECTED | BW-floored wash, ~5% slower kernel | LMAP |
| bf16-tau per-head SSM (0026) | per-head bf16 tau on the SSM decode | DROPPED | flat 780.6 vs 780.0 t/s once the fusion patches landed | README s5 |
| D3 FA-split / D4 GDN-width-adaptive | the older "off critical path" decode levers | SUPERSEDED reasoning | originally rejected via the now-debunked "5.4x faster / host-bound" reading; under HNP the GDN scan is the critical path (51%), but it is the shared BW floor where paged already leads (83% vs 79%), so neither is a win | HNP |
Dense decode is AHEAD at low N (116.7% @ N=8, CDEF) because the GPU is underutilized there and the paged path's per-token efficiency wins; this is the one operating point where paged is unambiguously faster than vLLM.
2d. SERVING / engine (verdict: host loop and scheduler closed; spec-decode orthogonal)
| Lever | What | Verdict | Key number | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0040 / S1 paged decode-graph reuse | correct can_reuse keyed on bucketed block-table dims |
SHIPPED (default-on) | serving graph reuse 0% -> 72.2% (with S3); static 0% -> 95.5% | README, DSS |
0041 / S3 decode-shape-stable scheduling (LLAMA_PAGED_DECODE_STABLE) |
keep prefill out of decode steps for reuse-stable shapes | SHIPPED default-OFF (opt-in throughput-max knob) | recovers the ~17 pt serving graph-reuse overhead (llama server 60.7% -> toward GPU-steady 78.5%, 2c) at a TTFT cost; default-on regressed real serving: 2.5x worse TTFT (60s vs 24s @N=256), 20-29% lower end-to-end throughput, hence opt-in | README, DSS, HNP |
| 0043 / D1 full-step MoE decode CUDA graph | graph the whole decode step incl. grouped-MMQ MoE dispatch | SHIPPED (default-on) | +2.6% (npl128) to +5-13% (npl32); the D1 premise "host-sync on MoE-routing readback" was REFUTED (sync count identical graphs on/off; 99% GPU-busy static) | README s5 |
| S2 double-buffer set_inputs | overlap host input build with GPU | DROPPED | set_inputs is ~0.05 ms/step - nothing to recover (the rebuild was the cost) |
DSS |
| whole-step graph / host loop | the host scheduling loop as the serving residual | CLOSED (~0-1%) | baseline reuse 0% (agg 757.6) statistically equal to S1+S3 reuse 72% (agg 763.3); hostproc only ~4-8% of the per-step wall = measured dead |
DSS |
| padded / fixed-slot decode | pad decode width to --parallel for ~100% reuse |
REJECTED (built, GPU-tested) | inert (md5 bit-exact) but regresses at every concurrency; N=8 burst 28.16 -> 6.05 tok/s/seq (~4.6x slower); serving decode is GPU-compute-bound, dummy-row compute > reuse recovered | DSS |
| speculative decode (MTP) | draft + verify; greedy is bit-exact | ORTHOGONAL, not pursued | both engines have it; the crux is hybrid-SSM in-place-state (0018) rollback. Not a paged-specific gap - a feature both can add | LMAP |
The serving regime was the one place the static-bench parity did not carry over (paged ~3.7 vs vLLM ~5.9 tok/s/seq, -39%, DSS). S1 made the decode step reusable and the host loop was driven to ~0-1% of the wall. The graph-node-traced HNP profile (2c) then resolves the remaining serving gap into two parts: the ~17 pt serving graph-reuse overhead (S3-recoverable via this knob) and the ~14 pt GPU-steady kernel gap vs vLLM's true 1078 t/s (vLLM's fused-Marlin MoE + Triton elementwise, 2c). Both are real; neither is the "pure LPDDR5x floor, vLLM pays equally" story the collapsed-graph profile implied.
3. Structural floors (not closable on GB10)
These are the hardware/algorithm ceilings the investigation hit. They are why parity is unreachable on this part, and they are the levers' "why" in one place.
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LPDDR5x bandwidth (~273 GB/s) bounds the GDN recurrent scan - a shared floor where paged leads. The GDN scan is the dominant decode bucket (553 us/tok, 51%, LINEAR in batch; HNP) and moves ~32 GB/step of f32 recurrent state; paged runs it at 83% of the 273 GB/s peak vs vLLM's 79%, and both engines' high-N sublinearity (1.17-1.18x for a 2x batch) is this same floor. This is not the explanation for the high-N server-window gap: the graph-node-traced HNP profile (2c) shows paged decode 99% GPU-busy at ~86% of vLLM's true GPU-steady decode, with the server-window ~56% being a prefill-overlap measurement artifact (~8 pt) plus an S3-recoverable graph-reuse overhead (~17 pt), not a bandwidth floor vLLM pays equally. The residual ~14 pt GPU-steady gap is kernel maturity (point 4 below + 2c), not bandwidth. On datacenter HBM (B200: ~8 TB/s) this GDN floor lifts ~30x.
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FP4-MMQ optimality at GB10's tensor-core ratios. Native FP4-MMQ at M<=128 is at the FP4 weight-BW floor (decode) and beats every dequant->bf16 alternative at large M (prefill), because bf16 TC peak is ~half FP4 peak on sm_121 and the dequant pass is an un-amortized memory pass (PGR). vLLM itself is on a bf16 Marlin fallback here (no tcgen05/CUTLASS-grouped FP4 on consumer Blackwell, CUTLASS #3096), so there is no faster GEMM to port.
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GDN O(C^2) intra-chunk solve + serial inter-chunk recurrence. The chunked scan's cost is the triangular A-inverse solve (quadratic in chunk size C) plus the strictly-serial cross-chunk state carry, with C forced to 16 by the 99 KB smem cap. Occupancy (BV: -1%) and dtype (bf16-C64: -18.75%) are not the bound; only a fuller tensor-core blocked-solve closes the residual 2.62x, and M5 tf32 captures the tractable part.
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vLLM's mature fused kernels (FLA blocked-solve, fused-Marlin MoE, Triton elementwise) are tuned for HBM. They are the source of both the prefill cap and the residual
14 pt decode GPU-steady gap (2c): the fused-Marlin persistent-tiling MoE path (+11 ms) and the single-kernel Triton elementwise (~+10 ms). The matching ggml fusions were rejected as infeasible or regressive (2c): folding act-quant into MMQ regressed -79.4% (no single-pass tiling), and norm+quant+silu cannot be expressed viaggml_cuda_can_fuse. The FLA chunked GDN, Marlin grouped GEMM, and FULL/PIECEWISE cudagraphs all assume datacenter bandwidth and TC ratios; they are real wins on B200, which is why closing the residual is a different-hardware question (mature kernels + multi-stream overlap), not a missing single-lever optimization.
4. Shipped wins (all bit-exact / KL-benign)
What the series actually banks, all gated per-path:
- FP4-MMQ MoE/dense GEMM - native Blackwell FP4-MMA, at the FP4 weight-BW floor (decode parity) and beating every dequant alternative at prefill. The reason the whole 2a track stays default-off.
- M5 tf32 tensor-core chunked GDN prefill (patch 0047) - default-on under
LLAMA_KV_PAGED; MoE prefill +3.5% @npp512, +17.7% @npp2048, decode untouched, bit-exact-benign. - 0042 fused residual-add + RMSNorm + weight-mul - one kernel for
h = x + sub; n = rms_norm(h) * w; dense S_PP +0.5%, bit-exact. - 0044 fused gated RMSNorm + SiLU gate-mul (GatedRMSNorm fusion) - the GDN
output norm
(rms_norm(x)*w)*silu(z)folded into one launch (672 -> 336 launches @npp512); S_PP dense +1.1%, MoE +0.9%,test-backend-ops12979/12979. - 0046 GDN-prefill geometry gate - gates patch 0022's decode occupancy retune by scan length so it stops regressing dense prefill; recovers +7.2% dense prefill back to stock parity while keeping the decode win, bit-exact.
- SSM decode fusion stack (0018-0022, 0028) - in-place state, fused gather, o_proj MMQ reshape, conv in-place, occupancy retune; the 2.26x/2.46x over stock decode multiplier (README).
- Serving host loop closed (0040 S1, 0043 D1) - decode-graph reuse and full-step graph capture; host loop driven to ~0-1% of the serving wall.
- The memory advantage - 1.5-3x lower VRAM than vLLM (NVFP4-resident, no persistent bf16 dequant copies; CDEF PEAK_GB e.g. MoE N=8 50 vs 112 GB), which is a legitimate higher-max-concurrency-per-GPU operating point.
- Low-N decode efficiency - dense decode ahead of vLLM (116.7% @ N=8).
- Bit-exact output - per-path greedy md5 stable (dense
5951a5b4, paged-MoE8cb0ce23), the sacred gate held through the entire series.
5. The parity verdict and the path
Verdict (revised): PREFILL is genuinely capped on GB10; DECODE-SERVING is near vLLM parity (~86% of its true GPU-steady decode), with the long-standing ~56% headline now identified as a measurement / operating-point artifact. Prefill sits at 36% (MoE) / 43% (dense) of vLLM and is a real floor (FP4-MMQ optimality
- GDN O(C^2) intra-chunk complexity; prefill is not CUDA-graph-replayed, so
unlike decode these numbers are not profiling artifacts). The GDN chunked scan is
at its tractable tensor-core win (M5) and the prefill GEMM bucket is FP4-MMQ-optimal
(every alternative rejected; vLLM is itself on a bf16-Marlin fallback here). For
decode, the graph-node-traced HNP profile corrects the record: paged decode is
99% GPU-busy at ~86% of vLLM's true GPU-steady decode (924 vs 1078 t/s); the
~56% server-window figure was vLLM's prefill-overlap inflation (
8 pt) plus the S3-recoverable serving graph-reuse overhead (+10 ms) kernels; the matching ggml fusions were rejected (act-quant-into-MMQ -79.4%, norm+quant+silu infeasible), and closing the residual needs mature Marlin tiling (our port lost -19.6%) plus multi-stream overlap - low-EV, multi-week, GB10-uncertain, not a free bit-exact lever.17 pt). The residual ~14 pt GPU-steady gap is vLLM's mature fused-Marlin MoE (+11 ms) and Triton elementwise (
The honest framing: on GB10 the paged backend is at or ahead of vLLM at low concurrency (dense 117% @N=8), uses 1.5-3x less memory, and is bit-exact, runs high-N decode at ~86% of vLLM's true GPU-steady decode (the ~56% server-window number is a measurement artifact, 2c), and sits at ~36% (MoE) / ~43% (dense) of vLLM prefill. The prefill residual is a real FP4-MMQ + GDN-O(C^2) floor; the ~14 pt decode residual is vLLM's mature fused kernels, not engineering debt and not a cheap lever.
The path to parity is different hardware. A datacenter Blackwell (B200, ~8 TB/s HBM, native tcgen05/CUTLASS FP4, TMEM) lifts the bandwidth floor ~30x and restores exactly the vLLM advantages that lose on GB10: its FLA blocked-solve GDN, its Marlin/CUTLASS grouped FP4 GEMM, and its HBM-tuned full-cudagraph decode all assume that bandwidth and those TC ratios. On that hardware the parity question is re-opened from scratch; on GB10 it is closed. Do not re-litigate the GB10 levers
- re-run the methodology on the new silicon instead.
Recorded per .agents/vllm-parity-methodology.md (both-engine ground-truth,
per-lever A/B, record-rejected-levers). All GPU numbers from ssh dgx.casa
artifacts under ~/bench/; all in-repo numbers from the docs cited in the source
key. The GPU lock was not touched in producing this document (CPU-only:
artifact-read + write).