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Ettore Di Giacinto 586639d016 docs(paged): record P2 MoE-region NO-GO (kill-gate flat + seam-shape gap)
P2 (expert-major fused routed-FFN region executor, LLAMA_MOE_REGION_EXECUTOR,
default-off) is recorded as NO-GO on two independent signals; nothing built
beyond the P0 kill-gate, nothing landed, fork localai-paged HEAD untouched at
653bb2f3d (LocalAI series stays at 46 patches, 0001-0055).

(1) Primary GO metric flat: n=257 MOE_SWIGLU_DOWN region 1022.15 us vs
grouped-MMQ control 1021.61 us = -0.05% (needed >5% faster); n=128 -0.34%;
MUL_MAT_ID_RAGGED_MOE +0.48%/+0.28% (region never engages). All inside the
5-sample spread - reproduces the six prior one-boundary transplants
(phases 113/114/122/123/125/127). A compact expert-major layout + single sort,
both GEMMs still ragged grouped-MMQ, does not move the ragged-tile tax; that
needs P3 Marlin persistent-CTA, not a P2 layout swap.

(2) Decisive structural blocker: q36-35b-a3b-nvfp4 ships separate
ffn_gate_exps/ffn_up_exps (+ per-tensor .scale) with ggml_swiglu_split, not the
merged gate_up->VIEW->VIEW->SWIGLU->down shape the whole-pattern matcher
requires; the matcher, region executor, and pre-existing POC/fused-quant all
engage 0x on q36 in prefill and decode. KL delta 0.000000 is vacuous (0
engagement). Default md5 canonical both models (MoE 8cb0ce23, dense 5951a5b4);
test-backend-ops all green both arms.

Prerequisite handoff (gates P2 and P3): rebuild the seam for q36's
separate/scaled/swiglu-split FFN shape before any MoE-region lever can engage,
then re-evaluate a fused two-GEMM region (not a layout swap). Topic branch
p2-moe-region retained on the fork for forensics at 2d87564dd (base 653bb2f3d),
not pushed.

Assisted-by: Claude:opus-4.8 [Claude Code]
Signed-off-by: Ettore Di Giacinto <mudler@localai.io>
2026-07-02 15:43:57 +00:00
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