llama-batched-bench Qwen3-32B-Q4_K_M: aggregate decode 235/391/540 t/s at npl=32/64/128 vs vLLM 328/569/667 = 72/69/81%, multiplier 53x (vLLM 56x), still climbing at 128. The 30x headline is wrong at realistic concurrency: llama.cpp is ahead single-stream (MXFP4 1153 > 800) and ~75-80% aggregate. Aggregate prefill is flat ~760 but GB10-compute-capped (vLLM ~800 too), so chunked prefill is a latency/TTFT win not throughput; paged KV is the high-concurrency (thousands-seqs) lever for vLLM's 24k regime. ROI: MXFP4 ship -> chunked prefill -> paged KV. Assisted-by: Claude:opus-4.8 [Claude Code] Signed-off-by: Ettore Di Giacinto <mudler@localai.io>
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What makes vLLM fast on GB10 — kernel vs scheduler (code-grounded, measured)
Decisive analysis (vLLM v0.23.0, torch 2.11+cu130, sm_121, model RedHatAI/Qwen3-32B-NVFP4A16, source at tag
v0.23.0). Answer: it's the scheduler, not the kernel. This closes the kernel track and opens the
scheduler track.
The decomposition (measured on the DGX, prefix-cache OFF, unique prompts)
| vLLM W4A16 Marlin | llama.cpp | verdict | |
|---|---|---|---|
| single-stream prefill | ~800 t/s (~52 TFLOPS) | 718 MMQ / 1153 MXFP4 | tied; llama.cpp MXFP4 wins |
| decode batch-1 | 11.8 t/s | ~similar | bandwidth-bound (≈190/273 GB/s); no kernel helps |
| aggregate decode | 328 (N32) / 569 (N64) / 667 (N128) | the gap | ~56× multiplier = scheduler |
vLLM's single-stream Marlin is not at the roofline — it's in the same ~4×-under regime as MMQ. The 24k headline is entirely the aggregate decode multiplier.
The kernel vLLM actually runs on sm_121 (W4A16, forced)
Dispatch (vLLM v0.23.0): compressed_tensors.py:704 (NVFP4 + no input-quant → W4A4Fp4(use_a16=True)) →
compressed_tensors_w4a4_nvfp4.py:28 → kernels/linear/__init__.py:894 (if use_a16: force_kernel = MarlinNvFp4LinearKernel, unconditional, no cc gate) → nvfp4/marlin.py → marlin_utils_fp4.py:182
ops.marlin_gemm(b_q_type=float4_e2m1f), activations FP16/BF16. csrc: csrc/quantization/marlin/marlin.cu
marlin_template.h+marlin.cuh.
Techniques = exactly the playbook we proved loses on GB10: XOR shared swizzle (marlin_template.h:722 ^ (row%8)), 4-stage cp.async pipeline (marlin.cu:396 stages=4, cp_async_wait<stages-2>), ldmatrix+mma,
FP16/BF16 acts. Native FP4 (FlashInferB12xNvFp4LinearKernel) needs Sm120BlockScaledDenseGemm cubins absent
on GB10 → W4A4 hangs → forced W4A16 Marlin fallback. Nothing to port; vLLM's kernel is occupancy-blocked too.
The scheduler (the real multiplier) — what llama.cpp lacks
- Paged KV cache (
vllm/v1/core/kv_cache_manager.py,block_pool.py): block KV, no fragmentation → very high concurrent batch. llama.cpp: NO (contiguous per-slot KV → fragmentation caps real concurrency). - Chunked prefill (
config/scheduler.py:84 enable_chunked_prefill=True, default ON): interleaves prefill chunks with decode so decode batches stay full. llama.cpp: NO (a long prefill stalls the decode batch). - Continuous batching (
v1/core/sched/scheduler.py): per-step admit/evict. llama.cpp: YES (n_parallel, rudimentary — we enabled VRAM-scaled slots in #10411).
Sizing the scheduler gap — MEASURED (llama.cpp aggregate, the surprise)
llama-batched-bench Qwen3-32B-Q4_K_M, npp=128 ntg=128, npl scaling (DGX):
| npl | S_PP (agg prefill) | S_TG (agg decode) | vLLM decode | llama % of vLLM |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 628 | 10.2 | 11.8 | 86% |
| 8 | 773 | 59.8 | - | - |
| 32 | 763 | 235 | 328 | 72% |
| 64 | 761 | 391 | 569 | 69% |
| 128 | 762 | 540 | 667 | 81% |
The "30x gap" headline is wrong for realistic concurrency. llama.cpp's continuous batching already captures ~70-81% of vLLM's aggregate decode at npl<=128, with a near-identical multiplier (10.2 -> 540 = 53x, vs vLLM's 56x). And it is still climbing linearly at 128 (not plateaued). Combined with llama.cpp being ahead single-stream (MXFP4 1153 > vLLM 800), llama.cpp is already broadly competitive with vLLM on GB10 at self-hosted concurrency.
Two real findings remain:
- Aggregate prefill is flat ~760 regardless of npl - but that is the GB10 compute roofline (vLLM single- stream is ~800; neither can prefill faster aggregate, it is compute-bound). So prefill is not a throughput gap; chunked prefill is a latency/TTFT win (stop a long prefill stalling the decode batch), not a throughput one.
- vLLM's ~24k headline lives at thousands-of-sequences concurrency, which paged KV unlocks (block KV, no fragmentation). llama.cpp's contiguous KV caps how far npl can scale before memory/fragmentation bite. So paged KV is the high-concurrency (datacenter) lever, not a moderate-concurrency one.
Recommendation
Pivot to the scheduler; treat the GEMM kernel as good-enough / roofline-blocked on GB10. Now that the gap is measured, ROI-ordered:
- Ship the MXFP4-dense win — 1153 t/s single-stream beats vLLM's 800; a Blackwell dense-quant
recommendation (requantize, no kernel work). Already documented in
BLACKWELL_KERNEL_GAPS.md§6. Cheapest. - Chunked prefill — the tractable scheduler win: interleave prefill chunks with decode so a long prompt doesn't stall the decode batch. Payoff is latency/TTFT under mixed load (and steadier decode batches), not aggregate prefill throughput (that's GB10-compute-capped at ~760-800 for both engines). A grpc-server scheduler change; no KV-layout rewrite.
- Paged KV — the high-concurrency (thousands-of-seqs) lever that unlocks vLLM's 24k regime. Heavy
(block KV manager; contested upstream PR #22569 / vendored
patches/). Worth it only if datacenter-scale concurrency is a target; at self-hosted concurrency (npl<=128) llama.cpp is already ~75-80% of vLLM.
Reframed expectation: llama.cpp on GB10 is NOT 30x behind vLLM. It is ahead single-stream (MXFP4) and ~70-81% of vLLM aggregate at npl<=128. The genuine differentiator vLLM still has is scaling to very high concurrency via paged KV. Kernel tracks (W4A16 178 t/s; FP4-MMA) stay banked - not the lever.