Same-day steady-state aggregate-decode sweep at npl 8/32/64/128 for three model classes, replacing the stale ~75-80%-of-vLLM carried figure with a full concurrency curve. Findings: - Dense 32B (NVFP4 vs NVFP4A16): parity at batch-8 (97%), 72-86% mid/high. - Small 0.6B: parity at batch-8 (99%), 49-67% at high concurrency (llama plateaus ~2.0k, vLLM scales to 4.2k; runtime/scheduler-bound). - MoE 30B-A3B: llama-only at 290-1041 tok/s. vLLM cannot serve it on GB10 (bf16 hangs at MoE warmup and reboots the box, twice; mxfp4 GGUF expert tensors unmappable by vLLM 0.23.0). Batch-8 anomaly resolved: clean isolated dense batch-8 decode is ~88-90 tok/s (~89 ms/step) across paged-vs-stock (within 2%, paged slightly faster) and ctx 65536-vs-163840 (within 1%). The prior 471 ms/step was a mixed-load decode/prefill contention artifact, not paged overhead, ctx allocation, or NVFP4 cost - the case patch 0013 LLAMA_PREFILL_BUDGET bounds. Assisted-by: Claude:opus-4.8 [Claude Code] Signed-off-by: Ettore Di Giacinto <mudler@localai.io>
7.6 KiB
GB10 same-day head-to-head server sweep: llama-server (paged) vs vLLM
Date: 2026-06-23. Hardware: GB10 / DGX Spark (sm_121, 128 GB LPDDR5x unified, ~273 GB/s weight-read floor). GPU otherwise idle (sibling vLLM had exited; LocalAI docker workers stopped for the run).
This sweep replaces the stale carried "~75-80% of vLLM" figure (commit 07985ba4,
pre-co-batching, single-point). It measures real serving steady-state aggregate decode
throughput across the full concurrency curve, for three model classes, with one identical
client driving both engines.
Method
- llama:
llama-serverfrom the paged dev tree (~/llama-paged-dev/build-cuda, HEAD = patch 0013 / commit 17d97cb),LLAMA_KV_PAGED=1,-fa on -ngl 999 --parallel 128 -c 65536. - vLLM: 0.23.0,
vllm serve --enforce-eager --enable-prefix-caching --max-num-seqs >=128 --max-model-len 4096(APC on, eager per the GB10 no-CUDA-graphs edge). - Client (
sweep_client2.py): N concurrent non-streaming/v1/completions, short shared prompt,max_tokens=min_tokens=256,ignore_eos=true. Aggregate decode tok/s = total generated tokens / wall. Non-streaming keeps the Python client off the critical path (one JSON parse per request, not per token), so the server is the bottleneck. Validated: vLLM pushed 4227 tok/s through the exact same client where llama topped out at 2087, so the client is not the cap. Both engines use the identical client + prompt -> apples-to-apples. - npl (concurrency) sweep: 8 / 32 / 64 / 128.
Quant parity:
- Dense: llama NVFP4-dense GGUF (weight-only FP4, 16-bit compute) vs vLLM NVFP4A16 (weight FP4, 16-bit activation) -> matched precision class.
- Small: llama Q8_0 vs vLLM bf16 (closest loadable form).
- MoE: llama mxfp4 GGUF. vLLM could not serve this MoE on GB10 at all (see below), so there is no vLLM MoE column.
Results: aggregate decode tok/s (higher is better)
Dense 32B (llama NVFP4-dense vs vLLM NVFP4A16)
| npl | llama (NVFP4) | vLLM (NVFP4A16) | llama % of vLLM |
|---|---|---|---|
| 8 | 83.2 | 85.9 | 96.9% |
| 32 | 228.9 | 301.3 | 76.0% |
| 64 | 367.1 | 507.8 | 72.3% |
| 128 | 520.6 | 604.0 | 86.2% |
Plateau: neither has plateaued at 128 (both still climbing, weight-read bound). llama is at parity at batch-8 (97%), dips to ~72% mid-curve (npl 32-64), recovers to 86% at 128.
Small Qwen3-0.6B (llama Q8_0 vs vLLM bf16)
| npl | llama (Q8_0) | vLLM (bf16) | llama % of vLLM |
|---|---|---|---|
| 8 | 911.3 | 923.0 | 98.7% |
| 32 | 1701.6 | 2531.4 | 67.2% |
| 64 | 1911.7 | 3497.1 | 54.7% |
| 128 | 2087.6 | 4227.6 | 49.4% |
Plateau: llama plateaus hard at ~2.0-2.1k by npl 64-128 (+9% from 64->128). vLLM keeps scaling (3497 -> 4227). For a tiny runtime-bound model, vLLM's scheduler/batching amortizes better; llama-server's per-token host cost (sampling, detok, slot mgmt) caps it. This is the worst llama-vs-vLLM ratio in the sweep (down to 49%).
MoE Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B (llama mxfp4; vLLM = NOT SERVABLE on GB10)
| npl | llama (mxfp4) | vLLM |
|---|---|---|
| 8 | 290.0 | n/a |
| 32 | 582.5 | n/a |
| 64 | 931.8 | n/a |
| 128 | 1041.3 | n/a |
llama-server scales cleanly to 1041 tok/s at npl 128 with no npl-128 expert-activation
cliff (unlike the prior llama-batched-bench MoE numbers 253/505/830/620 that peaked at 64;
short-prompt continuous batching in the server avoids it).
vLLM could not serve this MoE on GB10 (two independent failures):
- bf16 (
Qwen/Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B-Instruct, the only HF form on the box): loads the 56.9 GB of weights, then hangs at the MoE warmup (Using MoEPrepareAndFinalize NoDPEPModular->Model loading took ...), GPU 0% util, and takes the whole box down (hard reboot). Reproduced twice. With tight--gpu-memory-utilizationit still hangs at the same step before the API server ever comes up. - mxfp4 GGUF (same weights llama uses): vLLM 0.23.0's GGUF loader cannot map the fused
qwen3moe expert tensors (
RuntimeError: Failed to map GGUF parameters (48): ['model.layers.N.mlp.experts.gate_up_proj', ...]). Engine init fails outright.
So on GB10, llama.cpp is the only engine of the two that serves this 30B-A3B MoE at all - an availability win, independent of throughput.
Batch-8 anomaly triage (dense NVFP4) -- RESOLVED
The prior mixed-load run reported llama batch-8 steady decode at 471 ms/step (~19% of vLLM aggregate, ~17 tok/s). This sweep does not reproduce it. Clean isolated batch-8 decode:
llama-serverbatch-8 dense paged = 83.2 tok/s aggregate = ~96 ms/step = 96.9% of vLLM's 85.9 (parity, both at the LPDDR5x weight-read floor).
llama-batched-bench cross-check, dense NVFP4, -npp 16 -ntg 128 -npl 1,8, the three
hypotheses isolated (S_TG = decode tok/s aggregate at batch 8):
| config | batch-8 S_TG t/s | ms/decode-step |
|---|---|---|
| paged, ctx 65536 | 90.32 | 88.6 |
| stock, ctx 65536 | 88.39 | 90.5 |
| paged, ctx 163840 | 89.33 | 89.6 |
| stock, ctx 163840 | 87.72 | 91.2 |
Conclusion: clean batch-8 dense decode is ~88-90 tok/s (~89 ms/step) regardless of all three suspects:
- Paged overhead? No -- paged is within 2% of stock, and at ctx 65k paged is faster (90.3 vs 88.4). The decode path is not paying a paged penalty at batch-8.
- The 163840-token ctx allocation? No -- ctx 163840 == ctx 65536 within 1% (89.3 vs 90.3). The large allocation does not slow steady-state decode.
- NVFP4 decode cost? This is the cost -- ~89 ms/step is the GB10 weight-read floor for a 32B at batch-8 (it matches vLLM's 86 tok/s server and exceeds it at the kernel level: 90 vs 86). It is the hardware ceiling, not a bug.
The 471 ms/step is ~5.3x slower than this clean floor and is explained by none of the three.
It was a mixed-load artifact: the 8 decoders were time-sharing the GPU with a concurrent
prefill (a large prompt / chunked prefill landing on the same steps). That decode-vs-prefill
contention is exactly the stall patch 0013 (LLAMA_PREFILL_BUDGET) bounds. In steady-state
isolated decode, batch-8 dense is at parity with vLLM (97%), not 19%.
Aggregate map (replaces the carried 75-80%)
llama-server (paged) as a fraction of vLLM, by regime:
- Low concurrency (batch-8): parity, 97-99% on both measurable classes. Both engines sit on the LPDDR5x weight-read floor; there is nothing to win.
- Dense 32B, mid-to-high concurrency: 72-86%. Dips to ~72% at npl 32-64, recovers to 86% at 128. Both still climbing (weight-bound), neither plateaus by 128.
- Small 0.6B, mid-to-high concurrency: 49-67%. llama plateaus ~2.0k; vLLM scales to 4.2k. Runtime/scheduler-bound regime -- vLLM's batching wins; this is llama's weakest ratio.
- MoE 30B-A3B: llama-only. vLLM cannot serve it on GB10 (bf16 reboots the box at MoE warmup; GGUF expert tensors unmappable). llama serves it at 290 -> 1041 tok/s, scaling cleanly with no npl-128 cliff.
Net: the single "75-80%" number is replaced by a curve. It is roughly right only for the dense mid-band; it is too optimistic for the small model at high concurrency (49%) and moot for MoE (where llama is the only option). The headline is parity at low concurrency and a hardware (not engine) ceiling on dense decode.