P0 done: test-backend-ops MUL_MAT on CUDA0 = 1103/1103 (CUDA vs CPU ref, covers Q4_0/Q4_K at m=4096,k=14336,n=1..512) - the correctness gate the W4A16 kernel must keep green. Baseline llama-bench dense Q4 prefill ~750 t/s (~46 TFLOP/s, ~21% of the 213 BF16 ceiling) - the number to beat toward ~3300. Reusable harness at ~/p0harness.sh (needed -DLLAMA_BUILD_TESTS=ON). Assisted-by: Claude:opus-4.8 [Claude Code] Signed-off-by: Ettore Di Giacinto <mudler@localai.io>
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W4A16 Marlin-style GEMM for ggml-cuda on Blackwell (sm_120/121) — implementation plan
The committed multi-week kernel. Goal: get 4-bit-weight dense matmul to the GB10 BF16 ceiling (~213 TFLOP/s ≈ ~3,300 t/s prefill on Qwen3-32B), ~4.3× over today's 765. This is the match-vLLM path; vLLM's own GB10 dense throughput runs on W4A16 Marlin (its FP4 path is broken on sm_121).
Why a custom kernel (validated, not assumed)
On GB10 (sm_121), measured: both llama-MMQ (int8, Ampere-tuned) and cuBLAS-FP16 sit at ~46 TFLOP/s
(~21% of peak). cuBLAS falls back to an Ampere cutlass_80_tensorop kernel (CUDA-13 has no sm_121 GEMM for
these shapes); rebuilt with -DGGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS=ON it's slower than MMQ (690 vs 750). No library
path reaches the ceiling on consumer Blackwell — a hand-tuned sm_120a kernel is required. mmapeak measures
the 213 BF16 peak as reachable, and vLLM's Marlin hits it, so the ceiling is real; the work is reaching it.
What Marlin does (the design we mirror)
Weights stored 4-bit, dequantized in-register/shared-mem in-flight; GEMM math on FP16/BF16 tensor
cores (mma.sync m16n8k16). Speed comes from: cp.async global→shared with a multi-stage double-buffered
pipeline, offline weight reshuffle into the MMA-friendly layout, activations kept resident in registers,
and Stream-K partitioning. Sources: IST-DASLab/marlin, arXiv 2408.11743, vLLM machete (Hopper successor).
Phases (each ends with: numerical parity vs MMQ + a prefill benchmark)
P0 — Harness + baseline — DONE
- Correctness gate (GREEN):
test-backend-ops test -o MUL_MAT -b CUDA0→ 1103/1103 passed (CUDA vs CPU reference, covers Q4_0/Q4_K at the real FFN shapes m=4096,k=14336,n=1..512). This is the parity check the W4A16 kernel must keep green at every phase — it tests the CUDA MUL_MAT path the kernel will hook. Thenot supportedlines aretype_b=f16combos (irrelevant; prefill uses f32 activations). - Perf baseline:
llama-benchdense Q4_K prefill = ~750 t/s (pp512 718 / pp2048 750) ≈ 46 TFLOP/s ≈ 21% of the 213 BF16 ceiling. The kernel must beat this toward ~3,300. (test-backend-ops perf -o MUL_MATgives per-shape GFLOPS too; build it once with the harness.) - Harness script:
~/p0harness.shon the DGX (build test-backend-ops + correctness + perf). Reusable each phase:test-backend-ops test -o MUL_MAT -b CUDA0must stay 1103/1103;llama-benchmust climb from 750. - test-backend-ops needed
-DLLAMA_BUILD_TESTS=ON; now built in~/llama.cpp-pr24423/build.
P1 — Dispatch seam (no behavior change)
- New
ggml/src/ggml-cuda/marlin-w4a16.cu+ a gated hook inggml_cuda_mul_mat(dense, non-ids path), behindGGML_CUDA_W4A16+ sm_120/121 + type∈{Q4_0,Q4_K}. Initially returns false → falls back to MMQ. (Mirror of thefp4-grouped-moe.cuscaffold seam.) Builds byte-identical by default.
P2 — Correctness-first kernel (slow OK)
- Dequant Q4→BF16 (reuse ggml's
dequantize_block_q4_K) into shared mem, naivemma.sync m16n8k16BF16 accumulate, small tiles. Goal: bit-parity vs MMQ (within fp tol) on the toy + the real model. Establishes the data plumbing + the harness pass. Not expected to beat MMQ yet.
P3 — The Marlin pipeline (the speedup)
cp.asyncdouble/triple-buffered global→shared; offline weight reshuffle (a one-time repack of the Q4 tensor into the mma+pipeline layout — likely a load-time transform or a new tensor variant); register- resident activation tiles; Stream-K split for the prefill M. Target: ≥150 TFLOP/s (≥~2,300 t/s), then ~213.
P4 — Tune
- Tile (mmq_x/y analogues), warps, pipeline depth, occupancy. We have nsys (throughput) but not ncu on the DGX — tuning is empirical (sweep configs, measure t/s). Note ncu would need sudo/driver perms we lack.
P5 — Enable
- Default on for sm_120/121 + Q4_0/Q4_K dense when parity holds + faster; keep the flag as an escape hatch. Ship as a LocalAI llama.cpp patch (the patches/ series) and/or upstream (ggml has no Marlin-equivalent — issue #1519 — so it's net-new upstream value; float it with maintainers first).
Risks / notes
- Multi-week, expert-CUDA, DGX-only (GB10 is the only sm_121). The session's network flakiness +
llama-clihang makellama-bench/test-backend-opsthe reliable verification tools (both work). - Quantization correctness: Q4_K's superblock structure (256-elem, 6-bit scales) is more complex to dequant in-kernel than Q4_0; consider landing Q4_0 first, then Q4_K.
- Beat-path follow-on: the FP4-MMA path (
mul_mat_q<MXFP4>, ~5% of FP4 peak) tuned/fixed on sm_121 reaches ~6,600 (2× BF16). Separate track; this W4A16 kernel is the match-path foundation. - Reuse ggml's
mma.cuhtile abstractions (MMQ already uses them) rather than raw PTX where possible.