diff --git a/app/src/main/aidl/com/geeksville/mesh/IMeshService.aidl b/app/src/main/aidl/com/geeksville/mesh/IMeshService.aidl
index 55206fcc6..bb310e092 100644
--- a/app/src/main/aidl/com/geeksville/mesh/IMeshService.aidl
+++ b/app/src/main/aidl/com/geeksville/mesh/IMeshService.aidl
@@ -79,6 +79,9 @@ interface IMeshService {
     /// It sets a Channel protobuf via admin packet
     void setChannel(in byte []payload);
 
+    /// Send position packet with wantResponse to nodeNum
+    void requestPosition(in int idNum);
+
     /// Send Shutdown admin packet to nodeNum
     void requestShutdown(in int idNum);
 
diff --git a/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/model/UIState.kt b/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/model/UIState.kt
index 17dd7f7f6..7adf827b8 100644
--- a/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/model/UIState.kt
+++ b/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/model/UIState.kt
@@ -152,10 +152,6 @@ class UIViewModel @Inject constructor(
 
     fun sendMessage(str: String, channel: Int = 0, dest: String = DataPacket.ID_BROADCAST) {
         val p = DataPacket(dest, channel, str)
-        sendDataPacket(p)
-    }
-
-    fun sendDataPacket(p: DataPacket) {
         try {
             meshService?.send(p)
         } catch (ex: RemoteException) {
@@ -163,6 +159,14 @@ class UIViewModel @Inject constructor(
         }
     }
 
+    fun requestPosition(destNum: Int) {
+        try {
+            meshService?.requestPosition(destNum)
+        } catch (ex: RemoteException) {
+            errormsg("Request position error: ${ex.message}")
+        }
+    }
+
     fun deleteAllLogs() = viewModelScope.launch(Dispatchers.IO) {
         meshLogRepository.deleteAll()
     }
diff --git a/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/service/MeshService.kt b/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/service/MeshService.kt
index 7c7d3e888..928779eec 100644
--- a/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/service/MeshService.kt
+++ b/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/service/MeshService.kt
@@ -1351,6 +1351,10 @@ class MeshService : Service(), Logging {
         })
     }
 
+    private fun requestPosition(idNum: Int) {
+        sendPosition(time = 0, destNum = idNum, wantResponse = true)
+    }
+
     private fun requestShutdown(idNum: Int) {
         sendToRadio(newMeshPacketTo(idNum).buildAdminPacket {
             shutdownSeconds = 5
@@ -1400,12 +1404,14 @@ class MeshService : Service(), Logging {
         lon: Double = 0.0,
         alt: Int = 0,
         time: Int = currentSecond(),
+        destNum: Int? = null,
+        wantResponse: Boolean = false
     ) {
         try {
             val mi = myNodeInfo
             if (mi != null) {
-                val destNum = mi.myNodeNum // we just send to the local node
-                debug("Sending our position/time to=$destNum lat=${lat.anonymize}, lon=${lon.anonymize}, alt=$alt, time=$time")
+                val idNum = destNum ?: mi.myNodeNum // when null we just send to the local node
+                debug("Sending our position/time to=$idNum lat=${lat.anonymize}, lon=${lon.anonymize}, alt=$alt, time=$time")
 
                 val position = MeshProtos.Position.newBuilder().also {
                     it.longitudeI = Position.degI(lon)
@@ -1419,11 +1425,11 @@ class MeshService : Service(), Logging {
                 handleReceivedPosition(mi.myNodeNum, position)
 
                 val fullPacket =
-                    newMeshPacketTo(destNum).buildMeshPacket(priority = MeshPacket.Priority.BACKGROUND) {
+                    newMeshPacketTo(idNum).buildMeshPacket(priority = MeshPacket.Priority.BACKGROUND) {
                         // Use the new position as data format
                         portnumValue = Portnums.PortNum.POSITION_APP_VALUE
                         payload = position.toByteString()
-                        this.wantResponse = false
+                        this.wantResponse = wantResponse
                     }
 
                 // send the packet into the mesh
@@ -1688,6 +1694,10 @@ class MeshService : Service(), Logging {
             stopLocationRequests()
         }
 
+        override fun requestPosition(idNum: Int) = toRemoteExceptions {
+            this@MeshService.requestPosition(idNum)
+        }
+
         override fun requestShutdown(idNum: Int) = toRemoteExceptions {
             this@MeshService.requestShutdown(idNum)
         }
diff --git a/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/ui/UsersFragment.kt b/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/ui/UsersFragment.kt
index ff6ff5114..e728a9eee 100644
--- a/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/ui/UsersFragment.kt
+++ b/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/ui/UsersFragment.kt
@@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ class UsersFragment : ScreenFragment("Users"), Logging {
             val showAdmin = position == 0 || model.adminChannelIndex > 0
             val popup = PopupMenu(requireContext(), view)
             popup.inflate(R.menu.menu_nodes)
-            popup.menu.findItem(R.id.direct_message).isVisible = position > 0
+            popup.menu.setGroupVisible(R.id.group_remote, position > 0)
             popup.menu.setGroupVisible(R.id.group_admin, showAdmin)
             popup.setOnMenuItemClickListener { item: MenuItem ->
                 when (item.itemId) {
@@ -79,6 +79,12 @@ class UsersFragment : ScreenFragment("Users"), Logging {
                                 .commit()
                         }
                     }
+                    R.id.request_position -> {
+                        if (position > 0 && user != null) {
+                            debug("requesting position for ${user.longName}")
+                            model.requestPosition(node.num)
+                        }
+                    }
                     R.id.reboot -> {
                         MaterialAlertDialogBuilder(requireContext())
                             .setTitle("${getString(R.string.reboot)}\n${user?.longName}?")
diff --git a/app/src/main/res/menu/menu_nodes.xml b/app/src/main/res/menu/menu_nodes.xml
index ee6b0d9e2..3dfbf14f1 100644
--- a/app/src/main/res/menu/menu_nodes.xml
+++ b/app/src/main/res/menu/menu_nodes.xml
@@ -1,10 +1,16 @@
 <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
 <menu xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android"
     xmlns:app="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res-auto">
-    <item
-        android:id="@+id/direct_message"
-        android:title="@string/direct_message"
-        app:showAsAction="withText" />
+    <group android:id="@+id/group_remote">
+        <item
+            android:id="@+id/direct_message"
+            android:title="@string/direct_message"
+            app:showAsAction="withText" />
+        <item
+            android:id="@+id/request_position"
+            android:title="@string/request_position"
+            app:showAsAction="withText" />
+    </group>
     <group android:id="@+id/group_admin">
         <item
             android:id="@+id/reboot"
diff --git a/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml b/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml
index 3168d5eb3..7136aa376 100644
--- a/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml
+++ b/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml
@@ -163,4 +163,5 @@
     <string name="_15_miles">15 miles</string>
     <string name="tile_download_estimate">Tile download estimate:</string>
     <string name="start_download">Start Download</string>
+    <string name="request_position">Request position</string>
 </resources>