diff --git a/extra/meshtastic_tun.rules b/extra/meshtastic_tun.rules
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+# for userspace access to the TUN network interface by meshtastic.  Add your user to the netdev group.
+# gives access via /dev/net/tun permissions
+# install via sudo cp meshtastic_tun.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/
+KERNEL=="tun", GROUP="netdev", MODE="0660", OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun"
diff --git a/extra/tuntest.py b/extra/tuntest.py
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+# delete me eventually
+
+from tuntap import TunTap
+
+tun = TunTap(nic_type="Tun",nic_name="tun0")
+tun.config(ip="10.115.1.2",mask="255.255.0.0")
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